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Cult actress
and fashion muse
ROSSY DE PALMA
finds inspiration

everywhere

by SA R A H CR ISTOBA L
photographed by PA BLO SÁ E Z

styled by A LBA MELENDO
GARCÍA

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All clothing and
accessories,
worn throughout,
Saint Laurent
by Anthony
Vaccarello.

F in the acting world, she now has a prolific portfolio that
boasts films with Robert Altman (Prêt-à-Porter, 1994) and
Terry Gilliam (The Man Who Killed Don Quixote, 2018),
among others. One of her recently wrapped projects is a
modern-day remake of the opera Carmen, in which de
Palma sang and danced up a storm for choreographer and
first-time director Benjamin Millepied.

In the fashion realm, de Palma became one of Gaultier’s
muses; he cast her repeatedly in his shows, including his
final spring 2020 couture collection. She developed creative

bonds with other designers too, like Thierry Mugler, Alex-

ander McQueen, and the late Azzedine Alaïa. “With Jean

“For me, reality is a bit hard-core,” admits Rossy de Palma, Paul, Alaïa, and others, like Christian Louboutin, [our con-

57. “I prefer to flow and to discover. I’m like a butterfly.” The nection] is more than just a fashion story,” she says. “They,

reoccurring star of director Pedro Almodóvar’s films and along with Pedro, of course, are my family. I admire them

longtime runway model for Jean Paul Gaultier will cop to so much for their talent, but beyond that, I love them.”

being a multidisciplinary artist and a mamá (to Luna, 22, The aspirational and stylish images that are regularly

and Gabriel, 23), but anything beyond that is considered too uploaded to de Palma’s Instagram account demonstrate that

constricting. “I only believe in gastronomic boundaries,” fashion is as much a part of her life force as anything else. “To

she jokes. “If I define myself, I limit myself.” me it is art,” she says. “The designers who create with inten-

De Palma’s sense of individualism manifested at a young tion are artists. The way we dress is like an emotional lan-

age. Born in Majorca, Spain, she confesses to feeling like she guage for communicating with others through our clothes.”

never really fit in, nor did she particularly want to, prefer- Part of de Palma’s global mystique is her ability to adapt

ring to channel her energies into poetry and ballet. “I was a wherever she goes. She is quadrilingual and keeps a home

badass from the beginning,” she says. “I never needed any- in Paris. Her relatives are from Spain’s Basque country with

one’s approval. It’s an attitude—to just pose and say, ‘Look, Celtic ancestry (“I mean, this is a Celtic nose”), and she

this is what I am, and I don’t give a shit if you don’t like it. Or feels an affinity for both Andalusia in the south and Africa,

if you like it, I don’t give a shit about that either.’ In French specifically Senegal, where she also has family. Her viva-

they say, ‘Ne te laisse pas faire,’ which translates to ‘Don’t let ciousness has been rewarded beyond the typical industry

them get you.’ [Badass women] are allergic to bullshit.” accolades. In 2013 she was named a Knight of the Order of

When she moved to Madrid in the late ’80s, de Palma Arts and Letters by the French Ministry of Culture and in

dove headfirst into the counterculture crusade La Movida 2019 received the Gold Medal for Merit in Fine Arts from

Madrileña—an era of artistic freedom following the death of her mother country.

Fascist dictator Francisco Franco. “We were not thinking Lately, she says, what is keeping her most inspired is a

about money or celebrity,” she remembers. “We were express- sweeping social change and the surge of female power that

ing ourselves with total freedom. It was a very spontaneous has come with it. “I’m discovering a lot of women—screen-

and experimental intention of creating something funny and writers, directors—who are now waking up from some, I

visionary.” Almodóvar was also on the scene, and the two don’t know, eternal nightmare,” she says. “Before it was like,

initially connected over de Palma’s new wave band, Peor ‘Oh my god, how can I deal with work, with kids, with the

Impossible. The underground auteur then asked de Palma to family, whatever?’ Now there’s not that guilt anymore. We

help tailor costumes for his 1987 film Law of Desire, and she are wide open to our future. Everything is happening for us.”

also landed a bit part. That spark led to an enduring partner- Feeling a sense of appreciation for this time in her life

ship that has evolved over eight films and nearly four de- and career comes easily to de Palma. One of her few rules

cades—including two Goya Award nominations (Spain’s is to stay positive as much as possible. “Complaining is a

version of the Oscars) for de Palma. stupid waste of time and energy,” she says. “The more

In Almodóvar’s most recent release, the Golden Globe– gratitude you have, the more it grows, like when you pop

nominated Parallel Mothers, de Palma plays Elena, a high- open a bottle of Champagne. Gratitude has bubbles!” ■

powered magazine editor and the best friend of

Janis, a resilient single mother portrayed by Pené-
lope Cruz. “Elena loves women and is secretly in

“If I define myself,lovewithPenélope’scharacter,”dePalmasays.
“She’s emotional but tough—a woman who can
handle her life with no problem, you know?” I limit myself.”

While Almodóvar helped de Palma get her start

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JAMI E
Legendary actress JAMIE LEE CURTIS recalls
the most bare-all scene of her career

as told to CH A R LOT TE COLLINS

T obeabadass is to embody a seemingly ment and marks to hit. I danced to the John Hiatt song
contradictory combination of quali- “Alone in the Dark.” There was a moment when I shut my
ties that surprisingly live in harmony. eyes and let go of it all, and there was pin-drop silence
For example, I hate violence and afterward. It was a powerful experience that nobody else
horror films, yet that’s my bread and could take credit for—it was just me, the music, three
butter. The truth is that I scare easily. cameras, and approximately 100 dudes. At one point I was
I think that’s why I’m so convincing hanging on to the bedpost and it got a little too sexy for the
in the genre, because I’m not a director [James Cameron]. He came up to me and whis-
Terminator; I cry at commercials. pered in my ear, “Will you let go of the pole?” He under-
stood that Helen stumbling in her seductive dance would
My character Laurie Strode of the Halloween franchise is remind everybody that it was a comedy, after all. It will
widely considered to be among the ultimate badass heroines always be the single greatest laugh I’ll ever get in my life.
of horror film, and like all badasses, she contains multitudes:
She was a dreamer and an innocent, but because of the cir- There are plenty of potholes that people in my industry
cumstances of one night, she’s had to fight for her life. I’ve stumble into, like ego, but my strategy is just to show up, get
been playing this character on and off for 43 years, and there into the process, and don’t fall prey to any of the bullshit
are aspects of her that are still that original lovely, thought- of show business. Be game and be prepared for whatever
ful girl. They’ve just been elevated to a different level because happens. I have continually taken the jobs that come my
now it’s her daughter and granddaughter she’s fighting for. way, from blockbuster film projects to commercials for
It’s like, “If you fuck with me, OK, but if you mess with my pantyhose and rental car services and yogurt that makes
people, I go into warrior mode.” Honestly, I’m the same way you regular. I’m sure some people thought I would never
in my personal life. get another “real” job after taking some of those opportuni-
ties, but I didn’t care. Everything good that has happened
The most badass I’ve ever felt on the job was during a to me, it’s because I have been in the path of it. I have a
shoot for the scene in True Lies where my character, Helen motto now, as I am past that sell-by date, which is, “If not
Tasker, is laughably out of her element performing a strip- now, when? If not me, who?” I say it to myself every single
tease for her husband. It was very early on in the shooting day. And after more than 40 years in the business, I am
schedule, which made me a little anxious because it meant busier today than I have ever been in my entire life.
I should probably stop eating whatever the fuck I was eating
and maybe do a couple of sit-ups, but I didn’t have time. Curtis appears in Everything Everywhere All at Once,
There was no choreographer, and we only rehearsed it in out March 25.
the sense that we were made aware of the camera place-

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Eliza Griswold going out to some weird edge, but we don’t takes a lot of hard work, which I’m happy
do that. We don’t welcome that. to give. We’re very family-oriented, so be-
CONTINUED FROM PAGE 28 JK: We’re scared of it. ing away from our families in Israel is a
EG: But I’m deeply intrigued by the edges of price you pay. You can’t eat the cake and
life-and-death decision-making, not to things, which feels more honest to me be- leave it full, if you say that?
mention money, flowing through your cause it’s not morally loaded with the notion LB: You can’t have your cake and eat it too?
electronic devices. What does the scene of of “I’m going to go be of service in x and y.” GG: Aha, yes.
you doing this work look like, if you can To watch people in the most extreme mo- LB: Tell me, how ambitious were you com-
give us a word portrait? ments of their lives show up in profound ing up?
EG: It’s an absurd dislocation that civilians ways that are heroic and sometimes the op- GG: I’m hungry, and I’ve always been this
like ourselves were helping to run opera- posite is just a crazy privilege. I’m interested way. My parents taught me, “Be like a
tions in encrypted chats on our phones. We in trying to find out where the meaning lies horse.” Horses are only focusing on their
were never alone; there were so many he- in this experience of being human. lane, so they were like, “Just focus on your
roic people in special operations and intel- JK: You’re a journalist, and for your whole own path.”
ligence who stepped up and helped us. career, you’ve been an observer. We know LB: What are you ambitious for now?
Through WhatsApp, we were connected that journalists affect things as we report on GG: I think at the beginning of my career it
with an amazing Afghan here in America them, but your job was really to hold back. was, “Get a job as an actress.” I got that in
who translated directions to meeting loca- What did it feel like to get involved? Israel; then it was, “Get a job as an actress in
tions. You see family by family appearing in EG: It felt like the U.S. had set a building on America.” Then, “Get a meaningful role.”
a chat where we’re outlining it all. Then I’m fire and locked the doors, and that those of Now it is to tell stories that are meaningful
coordinating with the special operations us who had been inside the building knew for me, but also to develop our own thing. I
guy who’s running the airport, and he people who were trapped. The best we want our production company [Pilot Wave]
needs to get permission, and he knows our could do was throw buckets of water. It did to be solid, and to use that to control my
buses are coming. So there’s the military not feel like a choice at any point, because career destiny as far as I can.
contractor we’re paying for the buses, and every single resource anybody could mobi- LB: Can I assume Pilot Wave doesn’t refer to
he’s coordinating with those drivers. And lize was necessary. Wonder Woman waving from the jet?
then suddenly some unknown person JK: So you’re like, “I can’t control what my GG: It comes from quantum physics. It’s a
drops into the chat and informs us it’s a go, country does, but I, Eliza Griswold, am go- theory that everything in reality is guided
we may move forward. ing to show up.” by this little “pilot wave” that shows parti-
JK: And where are you sitting when this is EG: It’s not even a question, right? It’s like, cles exactly where to go; it leads things and
happening? “How do I actually employ decades’ worth opens the way for everything to happen
EG: Literally in a pair of running shorts on of resources and connections from working just as it should.
my back porch. There are hundreds, if not in journalism to save lives when it really LB: When did you first feel like you had
thousands, of us all working on this through matters?” From the Hollywood stars who power “in the room”?
our phones and laptops. I don’t have a phys- reached out to fundraise to email chains GG: After the success of Wonder Woman. I
ical experience of being in my body during that I have been on with people at the high- could not believe that happened to me.
that time—there was no sleep. I didn’t know est level of the State Department, it was all a When I was told that I was going to have my
it was possible to not sleep for two weeks at group effort. own solo movie, I was like, “Holy shit.
a time. My sister completely stepped in and JK: I’m going to ask you one last thing that They’re going to find out I’m not a real ac-
got my little one to camp and back. It’s had is geared toward this issue’s theme. And tress.” You know the imposter syndrome? I
long-reaching effects for him—he’s pretty forgive me for mentioning a man. was just like, “Fake it until you make it.”
angry about it and confused—but it’s just a EG: No! Then I was blessed to work with an amaz-
tiny thing when you consider that the Af- JK: Your husband, Steve Coll, who is the ing partner, [director] Patty Jenkins. We
ghan family I was working most closely dean of the Columbia Journalism School, were literally arm to arm, shoulder to
with didn’t sleep for six months. With every told me something interesting recently. He shoulder. We did it together. After we
family that gets out, only part gets out. said that 70 percent of his grad students are proved to the studio that we could bring
JK: I think this is a particularly appropriate female, which blew my mind because I came people to the theaters and make it work,
question for a fashion magazine, which, in of age in male-dominated newsrooms. I something really shifted.
a way, is an escape from these types of asked myself, and I wanted to ask you, are LB: With the pay disparity in Hollywood,
things: Do you feel like all these years into we potentially heading into a future in did other actresses come to you after that
your career you have a way of countenanc- which journalism is a majority female field? success and go, “Shit. Finally. I’ve been over
ing the suffering in the world? Do you EG: Now, that would be badass! n here making one-tenth of Jack’s money”?
struggle to deal with it, or in some ways are GG: Yes, multiple actresses reached out.
you drawn to it? Gal On the Go There was a big sense of camaraderie. Peo-
EG: In most of my earlier career working in ple love to portray women as if we catfight
conflict zones I was fascinated by risk, but CONTINUED FROM PAGE 86 and we’re jealous, but there was so much
it also had to do with this theory of limin- love and support, and like, “Yes! Finally!” I
ality, which is a religious theory concern- anything risky on my end. I feel privileged got that from amazing women around the
ing the edges in liminal spaces, like the and grateful and lucky, coming from a tiny world—big actresses too. I thought, “Oh my
edges of societies and of civilizations, place in the Middle East and getting to god, I can’t believe she just thanked me.”
which are dangerous. Typically, Ameri- work with amazing people. I feel like, It was interesting timing, because as the
cans do not value going to “the edge”; we “Fuck that, just be grateful and shut up.” It movie was coming out, the #MeToo move-
don’t listen to people on the edge. All of our ment really started to take off. It was as if
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the stars had aligned. tween my family life and my acting career. treatments. I love those.
LB: So Wonder Woman 3 is happening, LB: One of the girls is screaming and you’re LB: Your red Loewe dress for the Red
right? like, “Christ, I was a kite earlier today.” Notice premiere was perfect. You’re like,
GG: We’re developing the script right now. GG: It’s true. I was shooting a scene in Lon- “OK, you want a glamorous movie star?
We’ll probably start in a year and a half don on a gimbal of an airplane, and I was I’m going to give you one.”
or so. stuck there. Alma had a show at school that GG: It was my first carpet since I had Dani-
LB: How does it feel to have your life I couldn’t go to, and I spoke to her after- ella. I was like, “I want to feel like I’m back
mapped out? ward and asked, “How was it?” She was in the game, because I’ve been pregnant
GG: I love it. If there’s one thing I don’t crying, asking me why I wasn’t there. Then for almost a year. I want to feel like a
like about this business, it’s that usually I started to cry, but I was trying not to woman.” By the way, I was working out,
you don’t know when or where the next show Alma that I was crying. getting ready for it. I was watching what I
project will be. Once you’re a mother and LB: Hold on. Were you crying in the Invisi- was eating and all of that.
you have kids, you need to plan and figure ble Jet? LB: Three children ain’t nothing.
out your life. GG: Yes, I was! GG: Yes, but I started young. I was 25 when
LB: You have three daughters [Alma, 10; LB: No one can see you. I was pregnant with Alma. I always wanted
Maya, 4; and Daniella, 8 months]. How pro- GG: Aha, everyone could see me. There to be a young mother. Yeah, three kids. No
tective are you? was a camera in front of me, one on my joke, woman. God bless them, but it’s so
GG: They’re the only thing I make sure to side, and one from Chris [Pine]’s side. much work.
keep as private as possible. I want them to There’s no privacy whatsoever. LB: Did you feel good through your third
be naive and safe and protected. I share a LB: That’s what I attempt to do with the pregnancy and after?
lot—I believe that if I went through experi- magazine. It’s like, “Yeah, here are these GG: I love giving birth. I would do it once a
ences that people can relate to or learn ladies and they have money and nice week if I could. It’s so magical. And I always
from, great. But as far as my family goes, I’m dresses, but the pressure on them and the take epidurals, to be fair, so it’s not so pain-
very protective. violation of their privacy is bigger.” Don’t ful. Just the moment you feel like you’re
LB: What does the word “badass” mean to envy anyone. creating life, it’s incredible. But the preg-
you? GG: The bigger the success, the bigger the nancies are hard for me—I feel sick and
GG: Strong, confident, sexy, smart. price. have migraines. I’m not in my element.
LB: Who would you say is badass? LB: What does money mean to you? LB: You’ve been married 13 years. I know
GG: Patty Jenkins, Halle Berry, Kari GG: It’s important for me. I always cared your husband, Jaron, is now producing with
Skogland, and, of course, Chloé Zhao. All about being independent and working. I you. What insurance is it to have someone
of them are filmmakers. started working when I was 12, babysit- who’s been there since the before times?
LB: Kari is directing your Cleopatra film. I ting and doing camps for little ones. GG: It’s huge. We’ve grown together. I know
assume it will be different from the Eliza- LB: A lot of women still shy away from talk- he’s not with me because I’m a “movie star.”
beth Taylor and Richard Burton version, ing about money. He’s with me because he loves me. The con-
but how do you see it? GG: Sometimes it’s not about the money, nection was there from the beginning be-
GG: I can’t reveal a lot, but I can tell you but more about what the money symbol- fore everything, so it always felt very real
that we’re going to celebrate the Cleopatra izes. I’m a pleaser, and when I was little, I and very good. I’m super grateful that I got
story. We’re going to show not just how used to double-book playdates because I to meet him when I was 20. I was a baby.
sexy and appealing she was, but how stra- felt bad saying no. My mom told me, “When LB: Were you in combat training?
tegic and smart, and how much impact she you say no, people respect you more.” I GG: I was still in the army, yes. He met me
had and still has on the world we’re living have a fight within me—the pleaser and the in uniform. [laughs] He loved it. I still had
in today. I’ve watched all the Cleopatra girl who wants to be assertive. So, with one year left in my service.
movies throughout history, but I feel like money, it’s not always about the sum, but if LB: What do you think he’s proudest of you
we’re telling the story the world needs to my fellows left and right are making this for?
hear now. and I’m bringing the same value, I would GG: That I stayed the same. I maybe
LB: How do you personally avoid snakes in love to be equal. I don’t like the word “re- evolved, but I didn’t change. [Jaron walks
your life? spect,” because it has ego elements, but into the room.]
GG: You try to choose the right people. people take you more seriously when you GG: [to Jaron] Come say hi to Laura.
LB: Have you always had a good bullshit treat yourself seriously. JARON VARSANO:Hi, Laura from InStyle.
detector? LB: It means equity. It means freedom. LB: I was just asking , in what ways are you
GG: I think so. As a kid, my mom told me, This is a blunt question: How vain are you? proud of Gal?
“Don’t be friends with her.” You have the GG: With fashion? I’m awful. At work they JV: That’s easy. In the roller-coaster life that
senses for it. put makeup on me, but I don’t like to wear we’re living, she manages to keep a very bal-
LB: What’s the most badass thing you’ve makeup day-to-day. I hate fittings. If you anced family life and work, and everything
ever done? ever speak to Elizabeth [Stewart, Gadot’s is just smooth. That’s a very impressive
GG: Shooting a movie while being pregnant, stylist], ask her how much she enjoys our thing, to juggle everything at the same time
or when you have a baby. When you’re on set, time together. I’m like, “Things to do, and stay normal.
you’re like a kite. You can fly so high and try places to go. Let’s find the best dress that I GG: I said he’d probably say I didn’t change;
to catch the air. Then you go back home to do love, and done.” I was a model, so I can do I might have evolved, but I never changed.
your main shift as being a mother. It’s not the on-and-off thing quickly. I’m not really The “normal” kind of gives that.
about me, it’s, “OK, now I need to bathe vain, because I don’t spend a lot of time in- JV: Exactly.
Maya, feed Alma, put Daniella to bed.” That dulging myself with those type of things. LB: Ten points for Jaron!
is the badass thing I do: the juggling be- However, I am a sucker for spa and body GG: Awesome. We did it. n

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