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วางโกรธเปน ใจเห็นสุข

บเี คยไดย้ นิ พระองค์หน่ึงทหี่ ลายคนคิดวา่ ท่านเปน็ พระอรหนั ต์ มคี นถามทา่ นว่า ท่านเป็นพระท่ี
บำเพญ็ ตนขนาดน้ี ทา่ นยังมีความโกรธอย่หู รอื ไม่ มีความทุกข์ไหม ทา่ นบอกวา่ มี แต่ทา่ นไมเ่ อา
หมายความว่าตราบใดท่ีเรามรี า่ งกาย มจี ิตใจ มขี ันธ์ เรากย็ ังมีความโกรธ ความทุกข์ แตไ่ มเ่ อา
มาเป็นตัวตนของเราได้ มันอยู่ที่การฝึกสติ บีจะสอนวิธีฝึกสติง่ายๆ ที่ทำมาตลอด คือลองถาม
ตัวเองดวู า่ ตอนนห้ี ายใจเขา้ หรอื หายใจออก พอเราหายใจเขา้ ให้ถามตัวเองว่าเรากำลังมคี วามสุข
หรือมีความทุกขห์ รือเฉยๆ บางคร้ังจะเห็นวา่ เราเฉยๆ บางครง้ั จะเหน็ ว่าเรารอ้ น มีความทุกข์อยู่
ในใจเหมือนมกี อ้ นหนิ ถ่วงอยู่ข้างใน บางคร้ังเหน็ ความสุข พอเราเห็นแล้วฝกึ แบบน้ที กุ วนั ตอ่ เนือ่ ง
จะเปน็ การฝกึ สตใิ หเ้ ห็นอารมณ์ของตวั เอง เวลาท่ีเราดูวา่ หายใจเขา้ หรือหายใจออกแสดงวา่
เรากำลังดรู ่างกาย แตพ่ อถามวา่ กำลงั รู้สึกอะไรหมายถึงเรากำลงั ดอู ารมณจ์ ติ ของเรา พอเราฝึก
ไปเรอื่ ยๆ มนั จะเปน็ อตั โนมัติ อย่างเวลาบีโกรธมนั จะเหมือนมไี ฟจุดข้ึนมากลางอก เป็นไฟทีไ่ หม้
เราอยูข่ า้ งใน เพราะกวา่ มันจะแปลงเป็นคำพูดทใี่ จร้าย น้ำเสยี ง หนา้ ตาเพื่อทำให้อีกฝา่ ยเสียใจ
มันผา่ นกระบวนการเผาผลาญเยอะมาก เป็นการทำร้ายตัวเอง กระบวนการนี้มันมีแตค่ วามไม่ดี
และพอพูดเสร็จกท็ กุ ข์ เมอื่ หายโกรธแลว้ กเ็ สยี ใจ บางคร้ังบีก็มหี ลุดเพราะเปน็ ธรรมดาของมนษุ ย์
บางครง้ั กไ็ ม่หลดุ แตแ่ กล้งโกรธกม็ ีเพราะเป็นไปตามบทบาทที่ตอ้ งทำ แตส่ ว่ นใหญ่จะไม่หลุด
เพราะฝกึ เรื่องนมี้ านาน แต่เม่อื ไหร่ทเ่ี ราฝกึ แล้วเราเหน็ ความทุกข์ เราจะไมอ่ ยากทำ เม่อื บีเห็น
ขบวนการทไ่ี ฟมันลุกจนถงึ การคดิ คำพูดจารา้ ยๆ จนถงึ เวลาเสยี ใจทีหลัง บจี ะดับไฟต้งั แต่ต้นลม
แตป่ ญั หาของคนทไ่ี มไ่ ดฝ้ กึ คอื เหน็ แลว้ มนั ดบั ไมไ่ ด้ เหมอื นพระทา่ นบอกวา่ เหน็ ควายวง่ิ อยขู่ า้ งหนา้
แตด่ ึงไม่ได้ คอื ความโกรธว่งิ นำเราไปแลว้ ด่าคนไปเรยี บร้อยแลว้ ทง้ั ๆ ที่รวู้ า่ มันไม่ดี ไมค่ วรทำ
แตห่ ยดุ ไมอ่ ยู่ เพราะจติ เราไม่มีพลงั พอที่จะยดึ มนั ไว้ ปลอ่ ยให้อารมณม์ นั นำ แตถ่ า้ เม่ือไหรท่ ่เี รา
เหน็ โทษของความโกรธ เราจะไม่อยากโกรธ เหน็ ทกุ ข์ของความโกรธ เราจะไมอ่ ยากทุกข์

มีนทิ านของอเมริกาใต้ทีค่ ณุ ปเู่ ลา่ ให้หลานฟงั มีหมาป่า 2 ตวั ตวั หนง่ึ รา้ ย ตัวหนง่ึ ดี กำลังสูก้ ัน
หลานถามว่าตัวไหนชนะ คุณปู่บอกว่าตัวไหนที่เราเลี้ยงมัน ให้อาหารมันเยอะ ตัวนั้นจะชนะ
เหมือนเวลาทเี่ ราโกรธแลว้ เราปล่อยใหต้ วั เองโกรธเรอ่ื ยๆ ความโกรธมันจะใหญ่ขน้ึ เร่อื ยๆ มนั จะ
ครอบงำเรา ถ้าเราไม่ควบคุมก็เหมือนเราให้อาหารมัน เช่นเดียวกับความมีเมตตา ถ้าเราฝึก
เรอื่ ยๆ มันกจ็ ะโตข้นึ

เวลาเราโกรธขน้ึ มามี 2 ทางคอื ดบั มนั ซะ ไมโ่ กรธ ยกตวั อยา่ งเชน่ เรากำลงั ตำหนลิ กู นอ้ ง เรากท็ ำ
ตอ่ ไปได้ตามบทบาท แตใ่ จไมโ่ กรธแล้ว แบบนีเ้ ปน็ การตำหนิหรอื การสอนดว้ ยสติปัญญา ไมใ่ ช่
ด้วยความโกรธ มนั จะมเี หตุมีผล กับอกี ทางคือเราดบั ไมล่ งกค็ อื เดนิ ออกเลยหรือว่าหยุด เชน่
บางทีในทีป่ ระชมุ ท่ีบโี กรธแล้วคมุ ไมไ่ ด้ บีจะเลิกประชมุ เลย ดงั น้ันมี 2 ทางให้ลองทำกนั คอื
ดับไดแ้ ลว้ ใชส้ ติดำเนินการตอ่ หรือดบั ไม่ไดก้ ห็ ยุดรอจนใจเยน็ แล้วค่อยมาว่ากนั ใหม่







































We can be committed to work without stress. We know how and when to get work
done. But stress will get rid of our wisdom. If a job must be completed or is hard,
and we even add more stress to ourselves, we will suddenly feel exhausted and
solve problems without good judgment. If we are aware that the due date remains
the same, the period for doing the work remains the same, our responsibility
remains the same, but today we are too tired and want to go to sleep and cannot
think of anything, we should go to bed and wake up to get bright ideas to solve
problems properly.

When we think not being stressed means we fail to take responsibility, this is not
right since it is a different point. That we are not stressed does not mean we lack
responsibility. “Keeping our mind clear and staying healthy will help us solve
problems wisely.” Therefore, do not think you will not sleep or eat when there is
lots of work and you have only one hour to finish it.

When our body is miserable, our mind will lose focus. If we have stomachache, how
can we focus on work? If we are deprived of sleep, we cannot attend a meeting
efficiently since we feel sleepy and cannot grasp any idea and get distracted. Hard
work will become harder and little time will become less. When we can distinguish
stress from responsibility, we will not feel stressed and keep our mind clear so that
we can deliver work in a greater volume in limited time. This is because we are
mindful and healthy, and our mind is clear to solve any problem.

If I have loads of work, I will go to sleep. After waking up, I will feel the heavy
problem becomes lighter. Some may meditate, listen to music, or play with kids or
pets. The problem remains the same but when our mind is clear, we can solve it. It
is not as difficult as pushing ourselves to solve problems while we are full of stress.

Between two people, one steps back and rebalances themself to release stress and
comes back to solve the problem with a clear mind, while the other tries hard to push
themself, not eating nor sleeping. Who do you think can solve the problem better?

Let both joy and sorry pass within a day

Principle 17 Let both joy and sorry pass within a day was passed to me by my
father. He taught me that when I was young, I could be contented for three days
but he would be for only a day. After years of practice, I am contented for a short
while and set it aside since the world of business changes all the time. Holding on
to success as pride will not allow us to change, like many businesses that disappear
since they fail to change while technology and generations have changed. The
failed businesses are always proud of their past success. If we understand nature’s
truth that everything is always changing, but we do not change, are contented
with our success, next thing we will realize is we are in the middle of nowhere since
the world has already changed. Therefore, no matter how big a success is, enjoy it,
leave it behind, and move on.

Moreover, sorrow also hurts us. Something may have been long gone but we
always bring it back. We travel back in time and do not leave it behind. Something
like a mistake or wrong decision we still regret all the time is discouraging and
prevents us from moving on. So we should be delighted for a day and move on and
be sad for a day and move on, too. The world is always changing, and we cannot
turn back time. What is done is done and we cannot fix it. I used to firmly stick to the
past and feel sorry over it, which made me so miserable. But I have changed since
one day I listened to a sermon on King Ajatashatru’s patricide and his realization
of his father’s love when he had a child and felt regret, but it was too late.

If we believe in incarnation and rebirth, we may be born as
a thief, god, or beast. If we can recall each of our past lives,
we will learn and feel sorry for our misery, but we may not be
able to accept it. Loss of parents, children, and loved ones and
separation from them in every life is too hard for us. Only when
we understand that it is the way of life, it is as it is, we do not
have to know if our past or next life really exists, we consider
only our current life. In this life, from the past until present, we
cannot turn back time to fix anything. However, our mind always
thinks back to the past and our memory causes us to suffer
and not to live happily in the present moment. We cannot fix
the past. Every time I hear about King Ajatashatru’s story, I tell
myself it is a past life. In this life, I am a new person. This is like
what happened yesterday happened to the old me. It is over
now and cannot be fixed. My question is today and tomorrow,
who I will be and how I will live.

As a result, we understand that goodness, badness, delight,
and sadness are all over, but our mind brings them back. If a
success was long ago but we are still happy with it, we are then
living in the past. Sorrow also has gone, but every time we are
alone, we bring it back to hurt ourselves. This means we live in
the past, not in the present moment, so we cannot create the
future. Now, when I feel I am delighted for too long, I will hold
back. I have a lot of work waiting for me and I come back to the
present moment and what I have to do in the future. Every time
I stay with pain in the past, I will bring myself back to the present
moment and say to myself, I am a different person from the past.
My future version must be better than today’s. I must make
today a good day for a good future. Practicing this allows me
to stay in the present moment and create the future without
being dragged to past happiness and sorrow.

I would like to ask you to notice that there is little time we
live in the present moment since we always go back to the
past or dream of the future. However, if we do not create a
present moment, our dream in the future will not take place.
For an hour, try to sit down, or when you are alone not working
nor in a meeting, inspect your mind. You will find you think
about the past or future. When we finish planning what we
are going to do the following day, put it behind since it will be
tomorrow’s matter and it is going to be fine. When you wake
up, just think you are lucky today and wake up with positive
energy and that day you will be happy. If you wake up with
negative energy and bad thoughts, you will not want to wake
up at all. “Good or bad results depend on our own choices. If
we choose for each day to be a good day, it will be fine. Bad
things will become lessons for us. It depends on our choices.”

How happy or sad we are depends on
the size of our mind

I live my life every day thinking of good things, doing good
things, minimizing bad deeds, doing merit as much as possible,
and appreciating all things around me. I believe everyone has
faced difficulty before. The impact of the suffering depends on
the individual’s size of mind. If your mind is small because you
have not faced many problems, or you live with a warm family,
a small problem may become a big issue. But when we face
bigger problems, our minds grow and cope with more problems.
Some big issues may even become small issues. This is like
training athletes. Some people who never run may faint, be
tired, and have muscle pain. But those who practice every
day can cope with more pressure.

I used to face a lot of hardship, from personal issues, work, or teenage life like all of us.
At a certain point, I tried to find solutions to the problems. I was in great misery when
I had to be responsible for many people like in Tom Yam Kung crisis. I started my business
when I was 24, and 4 years later the crisis struck. The company had 70-80 members
and was responsible for many more people since they had families. I did not want my
problems to go to my family because if I went bankrupt, my father would have to take
care of the problem. Moreover, at that moment, I also had problems with my private life.
Everything came to me at once. As I was young, I wondered why all this had happened
to me and what I had done wrong. The more I thought about these issues, the more
pain I felt. But with my commitment, I had to go on. What drove me that day, enabling
me to solve the problems, was that at that moment I thought of two things:

1. The orphans – I woke up every day thinking how they would live. They must be fed every
day. If I took a rest, who would feed them? They had to eat to survive and they did not
have parents. When I thought of them, I could stand up, no matter how tired I was.

2. The company’s members – At that moment, I did not know how I would lead the
company and how I could avoid failure, like in the recent pandemic. I was so young
back then, I had debts and the company had cash flow problems. I did not have
much experience. I felt that every day I attended a meeting, everyone kept an eye
on me thinking “What to do next?”. It was like everyone was seeking shelter. If I fell,
everyone would do so. If I stood up, everyone would do so with me.

Therefore, every day, I told myself I must be strong and not show weakness. I remembered
that if I showed weakness, anger, or some similar emotion, everyone would break into
tears, cry, and give up. Therefore, I told myself every day, I must be a strong pillar for
everyone to keep this company running. At that time, I did not know how, but what I did
every day was to smile with all the members. This was because every time I smiled to
someone, I got a smile in return. This energized me to solve problems and not to
feel lonely. I did not walk or solve the problems alone. I was a pillar and drew all
the members together.

As a result, to stay positive is our choice. We can
choose to be positive or negative, choosing between
leaving a room with a bad mood seeing only
problems and seeking good things in every day.
When I wake up in the morning, I tell myself, I will
meet good people, things, and luck. I wake myself up
with this kind of feeling every morning. Therefore, I
live with positive thinking and positive hope every
day. However, “I choose to live happily. I may seek
flaws from everything, but I choose to see them with
understanding. I choose to see the good side and
make my mind joyful and live happily every day.”

I will give some examples. When I had a site visit, I
saw some problems that should not happen. I
wondered why the site inspectors had not seen them
despite daily inspections. However, I thought they
might be a few problems remaining after the other
300 had been solved. I have been in the construction
business for almost 30 years. I know there have been
problems on site every day. Therefore, what I found
might have been a few problems after all the other
problems had been solved. That was why I comment-
ed to the team with the hope of making them more
capable, not with anger. I chose to understand
everyone has tried their best to solve problems even
in the pandemic. Therefore, someone used to ask me
how I am living happily with hard work. The answer is
I choose to seek happiness from everything I do with
the people I meet.

“In fact, happiness and suffering are a choice. We all know what makes us happy or
suffer. It is our choice to choose.” I choose to live happily. I take all things happening
to me as lessons to make my life better, whether they are people who hurt us or
make us sad. Finally, I use them as lessons to improve myself. The Lord Buddha
once said Dukkha Ariya, the suffering is a lesson learned for us to enter happiness.
At certain points, we will no longer want to suffer.

I read a book by a man named Chess who like to observe people at an airport train
station to get some ideas for writing. One day, while he was observing the crowd
coming out from exit, he saw a man waving to a woman carrying a small kid with
children of 6-7 years and 10 years standing next to her. When this man was
walking out, the children were so excited and hardly stood still. So, he thought this
man must have left home for several years and just got back. This man opened his
arms to hug the youngest kid, middle kid, and eldest kid and said, “I save my best
for the last.” Then he asked him how long he had not seen his family. That man
replied he was on a business trip for a few days. So, he asked him how long he had
been married. He replied he had been married for more than ten years and his wife
was his high school sweetheart and they had seen each other since high school
days. This meant they were married for many years. He then complimented them
and told him he wished he could love his wife like him. That man, then said, “Don’t
wish, make it happen.” It is a thing you can do without waiting for luck.

“All good things in our lives are our choices.” Like the principle that asks us to treat
everyone like relatives and friends, if you want them to be your friends, you must
befriend them first. If you want them to love you, you must love them first. If you
want them to treat you well, you must be good to them first, whether they are
humans, animals, or trees. For some people, it may take some time. This is true for
animals too. It may take us some time to build their trust. But believe me, for
everyone and everything, if you give love, you get love back. If you give merit,
you get it back. “Finally, it is our own choice.”

In the world of business, is it sincerity or just benefits?

We must understand that in the world of business, it is the world of benefits. I used
to talk with Dr. Tan that in the world of business, the higher you stay, the more
frightened you become since you live yourself among benefit seekers. Assuming I
meet a person in a place of business, and I meet him again in a temple, this person
may act differently. In the world of business, he may think he has to do one thing
since it is a thing he must do. But at a temple, he may be a different person. So,
we must understand that in the world of business, people’s mentality is survival
through benefits and profits. If we get this point, we will take care of ourselves and
not let other people take so many advantages that we cannot survive. At the same
time, we should not hate them or get angry with them because it is a business
norm. When I first started the business, people said that in the real estate business
in Thailand if we did not pay bribes, we could not survive. Some senior people told
me it was impossible. However, I have run the business for more than 30 years
without a single baht offered as a bribe.

But there are many times it is a norm to give under-table bribes or when we attend
a bid, someone asks us to sell the documents. There has always been temptation
like this. They may not think it is wrong or might think it is a common practice.
During the Tom Yam Kung Crisis, we were short of cash. There was a supplier asking
us to produce wristbands and overprice a client and share profits with this person.
That deal could have been done when the company was still very small and might
have given us 70-80 million baht from excessive profit. At that moment I did not
know where to seek financial sources, while I had a lot of interest and debts to pay
and I had no cash. I was so tempted to do it, as if a devil whispered into my ear that
everyone did it too. However, my good friends like Khun Visit, Khun Warunya, and
Khun Vithit insisted we were not going to do it. They really played an important role.
We must understand there are lots of temptations in the world of business to test us.

Today, I can confidently say we have never cheated anyone, paid bribes, undermined
the country, or paid a single baht for illegal reasons. I can look anyone in the eyes.
But if I commit any wrong, it cannot be revoked. It is already done. So, every time
temptation comes, “I ask myself if I am ready to live with it. Or if any wrongdoing
comes into my life, I have to ask if I am willing to live with it for my entire life because
once it is done, it is done. We cannot erase our past. So, I ask if I can stay with this
feeling for my whole life. I cannot undo what I have done. I will speak to myself. If
there is something wrong coming into my life, I do not want to live with it until I die.
I choose to travel on a more difficult road but with a clearer and lighter mind.”

Curbing anger and seeing happiness

A revered monk who many people thought was an arahant
and who had abstained from pleasures of life for so long
told me that many people asked him if he still felt angry or
suffered. He replied he had these feelings, but he did not hold
on to them. This means as long as we have body, mind, and
form, we still feel angry and suffer, but we can choose not to
hold on to it. It depends on our awareness. My easy technique
to practice being mindful is asking myself if I am inhaling or
exhaling. When inhaling, I will ask if I am happy or suffer or
feel neutral. Sometimes I feel neutral. Sometimes I feel hot
inside like having some heavy stones in my body, whereas
sometimes I see happiness. Practicing this every day is like
training your mind to know your emotion. When I consider
my breath, it means I am seeing my body. When I ask how I
feel, it means I am considering my mind. Continuous practice
will lead to an automatic reaction. When I get angry, I feel
like there is fire lighting in my chest burning me on the
inside. The fire transforms into unkind words, tones, and
facial expressions to make the other party feel sad. It
burns lots of energy and is self-destructive and full of
bad things. After I say bad words, I suffer.

And when anger has gone, I feel regret. Sometimes I cannot control myself, which is
human nature. Sometimes I can control my emotion but have to feign anger since it
is my role. But mostly I can keep my emotion under control since I have trained it for
so long. When I practice for so long, I see suffering, so I do not want my self-control
to slip. When I see the burning process in which fire is lit and I think of bad words
to blast out until I feel regret, I will put out that fire from the start. However, the
problem of people who never practice is they see the fire, but they cannot put it
out. A monk compared this situation to a person having a buffalo in front of them.
It is dragging him, but he cannot control it. The anger overtakes us. We condemn
other people despite knowing it was not a good thing to do and we should not have
done it. But we could not stop doing it. This is because our mind is not powerful
enough to take control. Only when we see the bad side of anger will we not want
to be angry. When we see suffering from anger, we will not want to suffer.

A South American tale told by a grandfather goes that there were two wolves. One
is bad and the other good. They were fighting against each other. His grandchild
asked him which one would win. The grandfather answered that the one we feed
would win. This is like when we are angry and we let that feeling grow and finally it
takes over us. If we do not control it, it is like we feed it. This is true for mercy. If we
practice it, it will grow too.

When I get angry, I have two choices. First is to stop it, for example, when I am
reprimanding my team members. I will do it as I am their boss but without anger in
my mind. It is teaching with wisdom, not with anger, so it is done with reason. The
second choice is if I cannot repress anger. I will walk away or stop. For example, if
I get angry in a meeting and I cannot control my emotion, I will stop the meeting.
So, I have two ways to offer you: calming down and using your mindfulness to go
on or stopping what you are doing and waiting until you calm down.