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Noah Diamond Ben Duffy
The EDGE
Darrell Stanton 10 Photo Associates
Rick Kosick 28 De ViLLe
Getting More Soul 40 Joe Krolick
Patrick Melcher 46
ABD 58 Art Director
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Brian Fick 75 Art Associates
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Mapstone Interview with
Darrell Stanton
By Ben Duffy

Kickflip Backside Lip Mapstone Ben: Why did you leave Plan B? I think it just made it to where it was easier to shine almost, just
Darrell: Conflict of Interest. for the fact, you know, the guys who skated in Texas really wanted
How long have you been skating? to make it happen. There’s a lot of skaters in Texas, but only so
A Decade. few wanted to deal with the ridiculous heat, and deal with the
How old are you now? crappy cops out there, and you don’t have all the perfect stairs
24 and ledges in Texas, so its all on your motivation. People would
Those are all important questions that I usually forget to be able to see that easier than someone’s motivation in California
ask. Where are you living at these days? where everyone is trying to make it.
They got me anchored in Long Beach, California right now. I’ve I was probably 14 or 15 when I saw your “Free Your Mind
been here for a cool five years, on the up and up. part”, still to this day my favorite video. What’s it like to be
Is it in the hood part of Long Beach? asked to film a part for Transworld?
Nah man, I’ve been fortunate enough to get amongst the golf Fucking terrifying. Shit man, I was terrified. But it was great cause
courses and suburbs of LB, so I’m very blessed. I live right over by it taught me a lot about keeping yourself motivated, and really
the 605 actually, nice area. putting in the extra effort to make it something that people
Where did you grow up? can enjoy.
Well, I grew up in the Long Beach/LA area but then I ended up Who filmed?
moving to Houston after middle school. So I went to high school For the most part, it was Ewan Bowman, who is now the Flip team
in Houston. I started skating with the likes of Scott Kane, Jermihah manager, but back then he was one of the TWS filmers. It was
Vance, Jason Jones, Scott Christianson, TK, Evan Hernandez. him as well as Jon Holland and Jason Hernandez who did that
That’s a big move at that age. video. But for the most part Id be taken the trips with Ewan, hop-
It’s so hurtful. Moving at such a young age away from all your pin in his Cutless Supreme and hitting the grape vine to San Fran-
boys, its heartbreaking man. But I was blessed enough to come cisco and back. Crashing at his house, missing school, missing
across cool kids at school who skated, like Nate Broussard, Brad tests, the whole nine. He was my partner in crime. Ewan is one of
Heyser, Wayne Patrick, and they kept me motivated to skate. Nate my favorite humans right now, and has been for many years.
would always give me the hand me down boards, and pick me up, So why did you decide to film most of your part in SF
bring me to the skatepark, hit the highway and go skate all night. rather Long Beach?
So that really kept me going. I’m glad I had found them. Dude, it did wonders for my skating. I became acclimated to so
So when you started skating, did you want to get spon- many different terrains, and so many ways to control your skate-
sored? Or did you just do cannonballs all day and it board, cause I was skating with so many different guys. All the de-
just happened? luxe guys, going on Anti Hero trips, hitting tranny, skating around
Pretty much man (laughs). I just wanted to do cannonballs all day, the city with the crooked guys. It was essential. But overall, SF is
and I had no knowledge of skating. I didn’t even know there was
such a thing as being sponsored. I didn’t even know there were “If im out skating, and Im singing a
different size boards that you could buy. I was oblivious to what GG Allen song in my head, and I want to
was going on when it comes down to the P’s and Q’s. But as go jump down some big stairs, then
far as the act of it, and being out with my friends, and terrorizing I will. The Ill wake up another day and
things, that’s what I fell in love with. And from that it steam rolled listen to some Jeezy and want to go
into my friends getting free stuff. And they’re telling me like “dude, skate ledges and get thick, you know
you can get sponsored and get different size wheels and stuff!” what I’m sayin?“
And I’m like, alright sick! That would just be prime, you know?
Essential as a skater for the rest of your life. After I made the deci- rough around the edges, and that’s something that I love about it.
sion to quit the basketball team, I’ve just been skating ever since. So...were you the first one to ever do a dolphin flip?
The same thing happened to me, quit basketball at 13. I’m pretty sure man (laughs). I’m claiming it.
Ahh me to man! At 13! I wasn’t trying to get out there and listen to Sick, I wanted to get that straightened out.
some dude tell me how to practice, I wanted to be out there I’m pretty sure I was the first one. First person I’ve ever seen or
cuttin’ loose. have heard of.
So how did the whole getting noticed thing all work out? Now, I know you weren’t the first to do cannonballs, but
Well as funny as it was, I was living in the skate mecca, and just you damn well may be the only dude who puts them in
skating every day doing what I do. But there’s so much talent and your video parts, so you might as well be the originator of
there’s so much going on out there, in terms of who’s hot and them. What’s your motivation behind them?
who’s not, so it wasn’t until I moved to Texas that I actually got Fun. Absolute and utter fun. There’s no like, oh damn..this is real
sponsored and hooked up. Then it kind of just steam rolled into tight..or...oh yeah I’m gonna go do this for my video part, and
me moving back to California. It was almost a blessing in disguise everyone is gonna like it. I just love doing cannonballs. Because,
that my parents made me get up and get the fuck out of there. wether you land them or not, there fucking awesome. And you can
That’s almost the way to do it. Cause its less of a competi-
tion and more just being sponsored for your lifestyle.
Yeah exactly. It was ideal man. Like as far as talent in TX, don’t get
me wrong dude, its fucking stellar. Stellar talent, stellar personali-
ties, a great group of guys that come out of the Texas region. But

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“Hesh or fresh, whatever the fuck you want to do,
it all the same energy and its
all relevant”

Gap To Frontside Nose Slide

“It was almost a do the variations. 180’s, the back 3’s. I’m a fan of the variations. Mapstone
Now, if Corey Duffel or Reynolds did a cannonball in there
blessing in disguise that they Acosta part, people would be like, what the fuck, why is he doing out doing! He came out doing beastly ass kickflips, doing the
a cannonball? Why is it that some people get away with most perfect ass frontside flips, and fuckin getting hamboned with
made me get up and get the fuck out of there” Nollie FS Crooked Grind shit like that? the piss drunks. That’s Reynolds man! That’s his energy, and I love
Its just that skaters have different energies man. That’s what him for it. And my energy is getting hamboned, having fun with my
skating is all about, bringing something different to the table. You tricks, and living life to the fullest. Doing cannonballs is my style as
know what I’m saying? Like, no one wants to see Reynolds do a an artist. And that’s not his style as an artitst. But Im sure he can
cannonball down some stairs, because thats not what he came appreciate my cannonballs like I appreciate his kickflips. It’s just
two different energies that are picked from the same place, with
32 different styles. All of us skaters have the same energy, it all gets

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“But as far as the act of
it, and being out with my

friends, and terrorizing
things, thats what I fell in

love with.”

Heek Flip Bar

Mapstone Krolick

grabbed from the same place, no matter how you’re gonna put it My attitude in skateboarding is how I feel when I wake up that people go like...ewww, or ughhhh why would he do that. I he was a pimply faced rugrat, doing Benihanas over everything,
out there. Hesh or fresh, whatever the fuck you want to do, it all day. (Laughs) Whatever mood I’m in when I step on my skate- like the rebellion of it. As Ben Schroeder says in We Are just having the time of his life. That’s what I got from all that. And
the same energy and its all relevant. board you know? If I’m out skating, and I’m singing a GG Allen Skateboarders, “Mongo? Fuck yeah mongo! Fuck you, I’m all the Australians, as good as they are, love Benihanas! They’ll do
Even just little things, like that hand flip you did before the song in my head, and I want to go jump down some big stairs, going to push mongo on purpose.” them all day. And everyone hates on benihana’s! But they are fun.
switch shuv manual in your “This is my element”. You just then I will. Then I will wake up another day and listen to some Man, I pride kids in doing whatever the fuck they want, and having Have fun, you know?
don’t seem to care, and just skate more spontaneously jeezy and want to go skate ledges and get thick, you know what that self- esteem that says, hey man, however you look at this, it You seem like a very positive dude. What’s your take on all
then most, which is so rad. What is the attitude behind I’m saying? doesn’t matter, because I like it. I’m going to use Jake Duncombe the hate?
your skateboarding? I appreciate anything original, and anything that makes as an example. When Jake came out, the kid had a freak’in mullet, Hate comes a dime a dozen. It’s very deep, and it’s very frugal.

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Switch 360 Flip DeVille

BS Lipslide To Fakie Nosegrind Mapstone Usually when someone hates on somebody, I’m looking at the per- I liked it. There was a lot of stuff I learned from it. I didn’t know
son like, man, you sure did a lot of research to hate on this other the entire history of it. I can only say I watched it once, but I really
person. So I don’t see the person getting hated on as the target, enjoyed it.
I see the person hating the one with the issues. But it ain’t gonna It’s hard with the hate towards Element. Element didn’t
slow my step. start off corporate, quite the opposite actually, and same
Speaking of hate, how is it being on Element? with something like Vans, they just happened to grow
Its awesome man. I have no complaints. We’re doing some so big. What is your attitude towards riding for a corporate
good things this year, revamping the team a bit. I have only good company?
thoughts for Element’s future. I think it all depends. Just because a company goes corporate,
I was stoked to see you in “Make It Count” the Element doesn’t mean you have to go corporate with it. You are your own
documentary. What did you think of that film? person, you are your own human being, you control your own
legs, your own mouth, and everything you want to do, even if
their angle is that of a corporate nature. As long as you are being
yourself 24 hours a day, 365 a year, then its only easier for them
to make a decision if you fit the mold or not, because you are not
going to change who you are, so there going to have to either
accept it, or just part ways. And I’m so fortunate and blessed that
Element is as big and corporate as they are, and still have a very
core energy when you walk in there. Like when I want to go in
there, I’m not calling to set up a meeting. I’m just walking in there,
sitting my ass down and shooting the shit with those dudes.
That’s the energy I have, and it hasn’t changed since I’ve been on
Real, Plan B, or Element. I’ve brought the same energy to every
one of those companies. And that’s why I think that I’ve had the
blessing of longevity, cause I’ve been real with myself and people.
And that is something that you can’t buy, or learn, its just some-
thing you have to be. I know I appreciate it when someone is

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Nollie Cab Krolick

being real, whether I’m going to like person or not, it’s the truth I’m really excited man. I’m stoked on all the kids that are going out Clipper, and Cymande. that day... really?
from them, its how they do it. Its not a facade. And that’s what I there trying to shock. I’m always a fan of a kid who is just going Man that is music to my ears right there. That’s how I want to be There is no pretty much to it, I definitely did. (laughs)
tried to pride myself off with those companies, and they under- for it, nd taking opportunity and making something of it. Most peo- remembered. That made my day. I’m on the right track! You’ve come from a pretty tight knit crew of friends. Being
stand that. I’m not some perfect kid. Damn I didn’t even finish ple have opportunity and they just never take it. They got to be out I think there’s a lot of people that would say the same that element has so much money, naturally, that’s going
school. So I’m obviously gonna live and do things differently then there pushing themselves, and progressing, and kicking my ass of thing. Do you feel like your originality is what created to take away from that unity, because, and I know how
what you’re used to or expecting. what ever tricks I did back in the day. And more power to them. your longevity? brash this sounds, in someways the money is what brings
The marketing of it almost keeps it honest in a way, cause Does it ever scare you, like what the fuck, where did Most definitely. Anything that has to due with originality, or indi- people to the team, do you feel like its harder to get that
if a skater is going to change from one company to anoth- this dude who is switch flipping Carlsbad with ease viduality, or anything that makes people question... is awesome. tightness between the skaters on the team?
er, then its like what you said, the skater has to have their come from? Now, as strange as this may sound, you and Zac Efron No man. (laughs) I,m sorry man, it sounds like you wanted a yes
own person integrity to not accept less than the company Hell no. Never. I’ve never sensed pressure from another skater both killed Santa Monica high school. He did some above out of me. As far as all the people I skate with on Element, I’ve
adapting to them or it’s not going to work out. And if the in my life. It’s always been appreciation of their skills. I’m not the average acting, and you destroyed the 14 stair and the known for years. Chad Tim Tim lives literally around the corner.
skater switches up themselves too much, then they just best skater in the world. And I know that. I don’t think I’m ever greek gap in your “This Is My Element” part. Were all Nick Garcia lives with me now, I took him to get his life sorted, get
become confusing, and therefore people can’t put them good enough for any god damn thing (laughs) But that just goes those tricks done in the same day? his skating going, and Ricky (Bedenbaugh) the filmer, I’ve known
on their team, and it will be pretty obvious that they just with wanting the most and wanting to push all the time and not Yeah man, I’m pretty sure they were. That was on my birthday. I for years. It just all came naturally. I don’t do stuff unless I can put
change for companies. just sitting back and cuddling with whatever you did. But in terms was like, dude I wanna go skate for my birthday! So me and my my heart into it, and wake up everyday feeling right. No matter
Exactly man. It becomes a facade amongst clothing they wear, or of other peoples skating, I’m just such a fan of skating that I’m friend went to Santa Monica, met up with a filmer, and just had how much money you make, the real wealth comes from wak-
the way they speak, or who they hang out with. It just becomes so on the edge of my seat like, damn, what else is gonna go down, a ball. ing up and feeling a million bucks, not having a million bucks. So
fabricated, and that’s not skating. I mean, I hope its not just some what’s next, and where did it come from? Sometimes I won’t look You got your ender on your birthday, that’s so sick. That that’s how I pride myself with my business decisions, the com-
kids being like, man, I want to ride for Zero, and rock tight pants, at a magazine for a while, and then I’ll look at and get some ideas switch backside 360. How did that one feel when you panies I ride for, the people who I’m around. If I have to torment
when that’s not their vibe. You know, what good is that if they for newer tricks my way. It’s all about progression and creativity, rolled away? myself to be somewhere, I wont be there. As far as going out and
can’t really enjoy Danzig, or the Misfits, can’t enjoy the lifestyle. It having fun and destroying. Dude it felt amazing, because I’ve never done one before that skating with the guys, and being part of a team, they make it really
has to be a lifestyle. And that is why I appreciate companies like I believe what it takes to create heroes, especially with one. That was the first one I have ever tried. easy to go out and just have fun. And you know man, when you
Zero, because it’s awesome for the kids who do live that lifestyle, skateboarding being so saturated these days, is original- That goes back to that spontaneous thing... do get to the point where you have a lot of money, and you have
cause then they are with like energies, and it only makes it a fuller ity. Something that skaters have that they can claim their Thats what it was man. Me and my friend John were just skat- been true to yourself the whole time, it makes that icing on the
experience for them. But the kid whose like, oh man I’m gonna own. Reynolds, Smolik, Lance, Muska, Jamie, Gonz, and ing, trying some Nollie cabs. Then I sat down and got to smoking cake a whole lot sweeter.
start rocking this shit so I can get on, that’s where it even someone like Richie Jackson, all those dudes have some weed, and I was like, oh okay, nollie cabs are just switch
gets distorted. something they can claim there own. When I think of you, I back 3’s if you just roll the other way. So I just tried a nollie cab in Any last words my guy?
How do you feel about this baby boom of skateboarders think of dolphin flips, cannonballs, stylish hand drags, nol- reverse, and it just worked out.
over the past few years? lies/switch back 180s, Ollie over to front blunts on So you pretty much just learned switch backside 360s Payday baby, Payday.

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InRKterIOvCieSwK:ICK Curt: How did you get involved with POWEREDGE
magazine back in the day?
Rick: Back when I was still skating I was getting interested in Remy Stratton
photography, and was learning how to become a photographer
because I wanted to make skate zines. About that time I met Alec on the wrong truck going the wrong way”. It was a 180 nose grind
Schroeder through the grapevine and he was also into making and we captioned it wrong, pretty funny. But that was one of my
his own skate zines and working with POWEREDGE. He would cover shots for POWEREDGE. It was at 7th Street School, in
invite me up to his place and would show me how to make half San Pedro, I was stoked about it.
tones in his dark room. At some point Alec told me that there was What was working at POWEREDGE like?
a dark room position open down at POWEREDGE. And sure Well you had Curt Stevenson at the helm and his sidekick J.J.
enough Alec got me the job, I went down to the original POWER- Simons, and Christian Kline who was a straight edge kid who was
EDGE offices on 9th Street in San Pedro next to this crazy Croa- absolutely disgusted by everyone else. There was Roger Bridges
tian restaurant. It was funny, I went down there to meet with Larry who was really great at art and worked when he wanted, mostly
Stevenson and sure enough I became the guy who got to build a late at night. He’d stay up all night working and go out and sleep
dark room and process photos. Was there a Darkroom at the first in his van, but he was a cool dude. Roger was friends with Todd
office: The first offices darkroom was actually a closet for clothes Swank and the Foundation guys.
and then we’d take it to a different room and run it through Any other memories from twenty years ago?
chemicals. There were some fun times there, we’d go over to 7th Yeah, I remember when PE closed it’s doors the sheriffs showed
Street School and skate the banks every once in awhile before it up and we had to grab our computers and stuff, which leads me
became the big spot for street skating. into how I started working at Big Brother. I remember taking the
Were you just a darkroom guy or were you taking photo processor to another magazine so we could sell it. I’m not
sure what magazine it was but the guy who came and helped us
photos too? unload the processor was none other than Jeff Tremaine. So when
At that time I was just doing darkroom work, I really wasn’t as I started working at Big Brother, Jeff came up to me and asked if
skilled as the other photographers at the time. The main photo I remembered him helping us unload that POWEREDGE photo
guys were Dan Sturt, Sin, Christian Kline, they were really the processor. But that didn’t happen right away, I was biding my time
driving force behind the photos. I had to work my way into taking after POWEREDGE, you know working at skate shops things like
photos which is ok, actually my first picture as a skate photog- that. I was going to trade shows and things, you know the ASR
rapher was of Rodney Cassel doing an ugly ass Andrecht at the shows in San Diego and stuff. Then there was a short moment
sign in bowl. You know it’s really cool, after all these years, guys of being involved with SLAP magazine. And at around that time I
like Kareem Campbell, and all these other skate stars say things was approached by some of the guys at Big Brother to shoot for
to me like you were the first person to put me in a magazine. And their magazine, oh my god Steve Rocco, he’s a bad guy, I thought.
he went on to become a famous skater. Why was he considered a bad guy?
What issue did you start taking photos for POWEREDGE? Because he did what he wanted! (laughs)
I don’t remember the exact issue I came in on, I can’t really put a Like what?
date on it. So I would get little photos in here and there but I was Everyone knows, he just did what he wanted, he was a rebel it
actually doing a lot more than darkroom and photo stuff, it seems was kind of rad. I wasn’t sure about it and I took some time to
to me, really, my role was office management, I took on a lot of
different roles at POWEREDGE. I packed magazines, did ship-
ping, darkroom, arguing with SIN about different shots, he was so
passionate about the photography you know?
Were you skateboarding much at the time?
Oh certainly, I was very into skating at the time, I was so into it
that I wanted to be documenting, and capturing cool moments by
taking photos. Back to the other question, I guess I started taking
photos though for the magazine pretty much after the first few
issues, but I had to earn the respect of the art directors Roger
Sgarbossa and Spencer Bartsch first, which wasn’t’ easy. I really
wanted my shots to get into the edge section. It was the best sec-
tion of the magazine.
Why did you like the edge?
It was the only glossy color part of the magazine, at that time, you
know it was a photo gallery type thing. It was also good because
it had the best photos from SIN, Dan Sturt and a bunch of other
really phenomenal photographers. People would always be blown
away by Dan’s photos – he was the best photographer in skate-
boarding at that time, hands down. Everyone looked at his images
to see what he would come up with next. SIN was great too, so
the competition made the shots very good.
Did you get a cover for POWEREDGE?
I took a photo of Jeremy Klein, and the caption said, “Jeremy Klein

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When did you meet Knoxville?
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Did he mind you dressing him up?
Wee Man was always a good sport and we had a lot of fun doing

Louie Tell me about all the T&A and craziness in Big Brother? photo shoots with him.
Ollie Well we did a lot of funny things in the magazine and yeah there How many issues did you do?
was some nudity and gross shit going on. One time we did, I think we did a hundred and eleven issues total.
what was it called the 100 club or something? Anyway you’ll TWhtaeakelvellelupIdsthohoanintbeokosaIuohlotfattcdhohaeficclkioonstofaoal nfsmdtguootfhfuoiwdsngimathscohlcinikoeekvveeeSrmytseecavnoentvdsOeatrlhst?ionBngigsd.BrIerwsosatehsdearubaplnedatso

Kosick on the set of “Jackass 3-D” Ron Chapman Chet Thomas

the devil for covers, but when I shot the monkey cover I was, like, So you think Big Brother morphed into Jackass? For those who don’t know, what was the premise of want to pass the torch. I’ve done my time, I’ve left my footprint in
that’s it I can’t do any better than that. That’s it. Some production The spirit of Big Brother lives on in Jackass. All those who were skateboarding, I’m totally grateful for what it did for me.
company was making a movie and had trained a chimpanzee how involved with Big Brother were also involved in Jackass – like that show? What’s your favorite magazine?
to ride a mini ramp. Doing grinds and stuff, I was like are you kid- Dimitry, Sean Cliver, Jeff Tremaine, Chris Pontius, Wee Man, Knox- A nature show with Steve O, Chris Pontius. It was the best job Probably Thrasher. Here’s the thing that bums me out is the
ding me? And then he went off the launch ramp, and I got ville. So when I’m asked how Jackass got started I always say I ever had. It lasted four seasons. I got to go to India, South current state of skate photography, the format you know? Your
the shot. Big Brother. America, Russia, Africa, and some third world places here in the shooting a square image and you have a 500th of a second a
How was it to film the Jackass TV show? It was cool but states like Louisiana, just kidding. It was an awesome, awesome, flash sink, big deal. If you can pull it off at 250 flash sink and with
How was the transition from World Industries to at first none of us knew how to make a TV show. We were just experience I wouldn’t trade it for anything. a normal camera. I think it works better for layout. It’s cool for an
Flynt Publications? a bunch of idiots and the producers who worked with us just What can you tell us about the new Jackass 3D movie? artistic layout, every once in awhile.
For me it was a weird transition, working in a comfortable office thought we were the biggest Kooks. Yeah, Jackass 3D, I can’t really talk to much about it though. What else to do for fun?
in El Segundo down by the beach, then the next thing you know You made it in the TV show? What can you tell us? I’ve been doing music videos for underground bands, I am work-
you’re working in a big ass building on Wilshire Blvd. all corporate Yeah, the first year I was all over that show. Ok we are using 3D cameras and making it a 3D movie and were ing on TV ideas and things but I don’t want to talk about it.
stuff. There was a dress code which we got lifted eventually. They Did you get your S.A.G. cards and stuff? in the process of shooting it right now. It’s going good we are Your all over facebook?
wanted me to dress a certain way and show up at a certain time, I’m a Screen Actors Guild member and now I’m a Union shooting with these big 3D cameras. It’s quite exciting and I’m Yeah it’s pretty cool.
which was weird, but I figured it out. camera operator. learning a lot. I notice on facebook you got a new guitar?
Why’d it go to Larry Flynt? Do you remember the episode where the hearse pulls up Are there any new characters or changes in the format? Well I really wanted to get one then I started taking lessons and
Steve sold the magazine to Larry Flynt Publications. on a hill next to a crowded coffee shop? No it’s the same crew. If it’s not broken why fix it? Yeah, it’s pretty now I rock out from time to time. I was playing guitar hero and
For Big Brother to survive it had to go somewhere like a Flynt Oh where the coffin falls out of the back, yeah that was funny. We cool, we’re all a little older now but everyone is in great spirits. then I just thought; this is stupid I might as well as play real guitar.
Publications company. had a blanket permit to shoot those types of things, so people What do you like to do for fun? It’s a great way to kill time, so much better than watching TV.
What happened to all the T&A? thought it was real. We’d get a permit to shoot in an area and you I go to shows, I’ve rediscovered my first love, photography, I also noticed a lot of girlfriends on facebook are you
Well it went away, everybody knows that. Larry Flynt couldn’t have don’t really have to say where you are going to shoot at any given time. and I’ve been going to Club My War to watch bands and gonna marry one of em?
that kind of stuff in a magazine for kids, which it mainly was. One Who got hurt the most? photograph them .
of the best covers of Big Brother was Wee Man dressed up as I would say Knoxville got hurt a lot.. Didn’t you shoot a cover for the Deftones? No.
an Oompa Loompa, we really did it right and he looked good. So When did you guys decide to do the first movie? Yes, I did and I ended up doing an album cover for them about Would you go out with a chick you met on facebook?
it came out, and when the subscription came out the subscrib- I don’t know how that came about, the TV show ended and the ten years ago. Revolver magazine voted it as like one of the best Why not?
ers were supposed to get that magazine but instead they got the idea of the movie came around I guess. At that time I was still album covers which made feel really good. Would you have sex with a chick you met on facebook?
worst magazine called Taboo, a very hardcore porno mag. It was working with Big Brother, and also filming for Jackass. The first Are you ever going to shoot skate photos again? Why not?
bad, and even made it on to the Jay Leno Show, but they showed movie ended and then “Wildboyz” came around. Probably not, but it doesn’t mean I don’t love skateboarding. Have you had sex with a chick you met on facebook?
my cover so I was stoked. When I go to the store I check out all the magazines and I run No Comment.
into a lot of skaters and stuff. I feel like I’ve already done it and I rickkosick.com

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DEVILLE
48 porate company, and
they want you to do
something retarded like
some circus trick off a
building, dance monkey
dance, were paying you
this much money. Your
going to have to do that or
else your contracts done.
So over time, if the com-
panies get more corporate
and they don’t care about
the art, they just care about
the numbers, then the art
of skateboarding is going to be out the window and
its going to feel empty. It’s going to suck.

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do it. It is a
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LANCE MOUNTAIN
INVERT
BRIAN FICK

“ I can still go and do what I “

want to do on a skateboard, how
I want to do it, when I want to
do it, and it will give me the same
feeling I’ve been looking for. Can I
make a living off of it? Will I sell
a skateboard? Will Nike sponsor
me? Would I get a commercial?
Maybe not. But that’s for the guys
who want to do that, and if they
want to do that then they better be
at the top of their game... which
is so un-skateboarder to us... but
that’s where it’s at.

Lance Mountain

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“ I don’t feel the same amount of ownership that I once “ DAYNE BRUMMET, FS BLUNT
KIMATHI SMITH
felt in skateboarding. I just skated by a group of skaters as I“
was coming up here. I said what’s up, and one guy just gave me “They see the prod or they see who ever and
a half cool guy nod, and the others just skated by, and it was they’re like; you know what? I’m going to
just so weird to me. 15 years ago, there would be no ques- skate, I’m going to make money I’m going
tion you would say what’s up to that guy. Maybe those kids to be blingin’ I’m going to have these hot spon-
were a little psyched to be at the Brooklyn Banks. I’ve never sors with hot gear. If you’re a business man, then
seen them before, so chances are they never been here before, the point is money, if your a skateboarder the
cause I’m always here. But as much as there psyched to be at point isn’t money. If your skating and the point
this hallowed ground of skateboarding, they’re missing out is money then get the fuck out.
on what makes the culture of skateboarding so great, Dayne Brummet
and that’s all the people in skateboarding. So that’s is 55
something that is just gone from skateboarding.

Steve Rodriguez

STEVE RODRIGUEZ
RIP BROOKLYN BANKS

SKATE MIKE FRANKLIN
OLLIE OUT TO TAILSLIDE
BOARDING
DEVILLE
IS WHATEVER

THE FUCK YOU

MAKE IT. THAT’S

ONE RULE OF

S K AT E B OA R D I N G .

FYOUU CCAKN ISNKAGTE

ANYTHING. JUST

DON’T SKATE

FOR SOMEBODY
ELSE. SKATE FOR
YOURSELF, AND

IT BRINGS IT BACK

TO THE POINT OF

HAVING FUN

PETER SMOLIK

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I’VE been a professional skateboarder for many Photo Angela Marklew
years now. Once, while on a European tour, I
found myself in the German town of Hamburg. This was only
a few weeks after I had knocked a chip out one of my front
teeth. We, my comrades and I, were doing a demo outside
Hamburg, when a member of the crowd came up to me in
an excited state. The man seemed to be in his early thirties,
and in his best broken English, he tried to explain to me
how he was a fixer of teeth, just out of academy (I assumed
this meant dental college). And, as a fan of American
skateboarding and me in particular, he was offering to take
me to his office where he would give me a new front tooth
for the price of nothing.

Boardslide the whole rail, as seen in “We Are Skateboarders” Lambert
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Photo Angela Marklew Americans I was with. I decide, out of fear, to call it off. Heel Grind 360
I go into the next room, where the father and son are quietly 63
I’ve been a lot of places and mostly when I am on tour I take some
extra product with to trade with the locals for whatever I see fit. I’ve watching television together. The son was all the while trying
obtained two great hats that I wear often, and my favorite ‘Clash’ to explain that the guy in the dentist chair in the front room was
shirt, all out of just giving away my used boards. So, fuck! I thought, his favorite skateboarder and he wanted to fix the tooth of his
free dental work? Let’s do this. It seemed only moderately sketchy. favorite skateboarder. They were watching me on the television.
A dude offering me a free tooth, this shit was expensive right? Skateboard videos. I guess he really was a fan. The father turned
around to welcome me into his home and in doing so revealed his
Well off we go. He and his wife were speaking semi- mustache. It was like none that I’d ever seen in the flesh. The man
understandable English to me, the whole van ride to the office. had a sociological experiment on his face. At first I thought, this
We get there, and I instantly find out that it’s one of those little man must have lost a bet. Nobody would choose to stigmatize
shop-fronts that is set up in the front room of a house and the back themselves this way. Then remembered, as I had to remind myself
part is all sanctioned off as living space. This dude is covered in so often, that I was in a foreign land and the customs were a bit
tattoos and I’m trying to figure out if this is a good or a bad thing. I different here. But this? He is either some sort of social pariah
mean, maybe in Chicago it’s not really a big deal to be asking your with a mental deficiency who is mocked at every turn, or the leader
dentist who does his ink....but here? Who knows. I was asked to sit of some secret society that is responsible for all of the important
down and straight away we get to work. “I’m trusting you dude”, I decisions ever made in the history of the world. As I rudely stood
say hoping he can detect my laced fear over the language barrier. I there in awe trying to figure out on which side of genius or fool
lay back, and with my mouth open wide, staring at the cracks in the the old German swayed, one thing was certain. This man knew
dilapidating stucco that is the ceiling, I start to hear what, I think, is something I didn’t.
an argument. Another man had come into the room, he was older
by the sound of his voice. He seemed angry, although I couldn’t tell The mustache itself was magnificent. It spread across the
what was being said, I know a pissed off German when I hear one. width of his face in two coiled strands that were almost touching
I keep out of it, wishing I were back at the demo, and believing that his ears. The hair was as red as could be with tinges of blonde
this was, for sure, a mistake. The argument gets closer and closer at the tips. It had posted up like some great bird claiming a nest
to me while escalating. Finally, the wife comes over to me and in an unwelcome tree. This was a lifestyle choice he had made.
insists that everything is fine. That the father of our dentist friend But why? Where in the land of Oz does this amazing distraction
here is angry at something totally unrelated, and it will be resolved seem appealing? And to whom. There isn’t a woman in the world
in a few moments. I have no phone, no way of contacting the other who is going to think this is true essence of one’s manhood. All
of the questions of the universe were rambling through my head
as I stood in front of the family for, what must have been, five
minutes, speechless. I had forgotten about dentistry, the rest of
the team, even where I was. I was entranced by the mustache.
Then the man spoke to me. He was speaking German. But in an
unexplainable act of physics, I completely understood every word
he was saying. How was this happening? It’s as if there was some
type of universal communication code locked inside my head
which was being unraveled more and more with every sentence
he spoke. The secrets of human collective consciousness were
locked within this man’s mustache. I’ve heard of people who get on
stage at those variety shows and agree to undergo hypnosis for the
amusement of the crowd, some clucking like a chicken and others
being coerced into believing that they are Madonna, acting out
the ‘like a virgin’ stage-show. And the ones who suddenly speak
perfect French, having never taken a French class in their life. I
dismissed all of that as a hoax. Entertaining the audience with their
new found translation ability, all to disappear when the host claps
his hands and says ‘snap out of it’. But here I was, with a complete
understanding of this man’s foreign language.

I feel like this experience was something akin to all of those kids
in Japan having seizures while watching that specific sequence
of flashes in a cartoon. For me, in that exact moment, something
about the exact shape of this facial hair met up with the synapses
or neurons in my brain and triggered a reaction. But this didn’t
make me a zombie, It didn’t turn me into a chicken. Just by seeing
this mustache, I suddenly could understand any language in the
world. As he spoke, he looked directly at me, and my ears were
hearing the German words. These were all of the same German
words that I’d been hearing all week, and they sounded the same.

FS Wall Smash The difference was, I instantly knew what they all meant.
Peterson He knew that I was an American and that I didn’t speak German.

He told me that if I continue to look directly at him, I would easily be
able to understand what he was saying. That it didn’t matter what
language he was speaking, he could be mumbling or even just
humming, the intent of his words would still be understood. Although
I was so in shock, I wanted to call NASA or something and get to
the bottom of this, he seemed unconcerned with the magic that I
was experiencing. He was more concerned with my front tooth and
helping his dentist son work on this American skateboarder. He
said that many people experience this phenomenon when meeting
him and that he had actually grown tired of seeing the look of awe
and surprise while they stare at him like a circus freak. I couldn’t
believe it. I could tell right away that, me insisting on us getting
some scientists down here and figuring this out, just wasn’t going
to fly with this guy.

He said that, although he couldn’t explain the reasons for it,
the men in his town have had this ability for centuries. They have
perfected the length and color and style of the curls in such a way
that over time they had learned just to what precision to keep their
facial hair in order to trigger the speech patterns in the brain to
self translate. He reluctantly told me that I was one of a very few
people from outside this village that had been exposed to this and
the only reason I got to meet him and experience this, was that his
son was such a fan of mine. He could have just as easily covered
it up and none of this would have happened. I, in turn, was grateful
and found myself looking at the world in a totally different light. This
family secret, or tradition of ritual and village magic, will most likely,
never be seen by many eyes.

I told them that I wanted my tooth to stay the way it is, chip and
all. I felt that this surreal experience needed to be commemorated
in some way, if only by me going the rest of my days with a crooked
smile. Besides, I didn’t really trust the son of a man who, by my
assumption, could be making millions with this gift of wonderment,
and chooses to live in the back of a dentist office in a town no
bigger than ten city blocks. I left there, back to the tour with a story
that none of my teammates would believe. And I even stopped
telling the story by the time we got back to the states. It was so
irrational who would even listen?

Since then I have grown my own mustache and attempted to
recreate what I’d seen. I spend most days twisting and twirling
the hairs on my face in certain methods, and then uttering useless
phrases in Russian to the people around me. It never works, and I
doubt it ever will. But I keep going. I continue working at it keeping
the mental picture of the man in my head. The man with the secrets
of the world’s language right there on his face. Andz I keep hoping
that one of these days I get the twist in the perfect shape. You
never know. Since that day, since I met that old German, I feel like
anything is possible.

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Ollie Sugarcane
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Hippy Jump
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ABD De ViLLe

Marquise Preston

Had I known it was an ABD (Geoff Rowley did it) it would
just be a waste of time to me. I would just treat it like that
and try something else. Why try something that’s already
been done and get hurt over it? Even possibly land it and
get no credit. What’s the point? I went there with no idea
and I even asked the photographer who was there, his
name was Deville, and there were two other filmers there
-- I had a grip of heads with me and we were pretty sure
that nobody had lipslid the rail. That’s what made me just
go for it.
I was pretty bummed when I found out that it had already
been done because one I couldn’t use the footage and two
I sacked my groin on that rail like five times. I didn’t re-
ally benefit from it. I got the experience, but I didn’t get no
credit for it.
Interview by Reginald Altema

miwkeatttheman Interview By Gypsy de Szendrey
in the van
with the bass Gypsy: So what’s going on?
in his hand Mike: Thursday I go on a little tour with the Missingmen and some
friends of mine from Tokyo; a band called Light. They’ve never
Club Hurt played the west coast of the U.S. before, so I’ll take them around Redwood B&G
Curt Stevenson for eight gigs and then I’ll fly to New York and do this Curt Stevenson
Hall of Lame thing for The Stooges, come back and do some
gigs local. “You gotta look inside and find
The hall of Lame? your own voice, it’s not really
I think it’s “Search and Destroy” and “I wanna be your dog” cause about inventing stuff but if you
The Stooges are being inducted after seven or eight refusals, I’ll think of writing novels, you
come back and do some gigs local, and then start playing over don’t have to invent one word
seas with The Stooges. and you can be very original
Have you ever played with them before? with your story telling.”
Started playing with them in 2003 at Coachella, so like seven
years of course Ron Ashton died last year of a heart attack and Well I go tour all the time, but no I’ll never move, came there when
I thought it was all over. Iggy talked to James Williamson and so I was ten from Virginia. I am partial, I like it.
the Raw Power version is gonna do this. We’ve done one gig in Did you play guitar before you played bass?
Sao Paulo Brazil last November. Then I’ll tour from April till Sep- No not really, I can play a little bit but not real well.
tember. In the middle there is a little break and I’m gonna go What’s your favorite bass?
back to New York City and finish my third opera. Actually my favorite bass got stolen a year and a half ago in
I didn’t’ know you did operas. Montreal, it was a 63’ Gibson. If somebody is playing it maybe it’s
Yeah, I did the first one in 97’ and the second one was in 2002, okay. Maybe I shouldn’t have gotten to attached to it or anything,
and now this third one is called Hyphenated- Man. I got inspired I had to let it go. Hopefully somebody is playing it. But the one
by the little creatures in Hieronymus Bosch paintings. I heard a I have here I call the Dan Bass, because a young man named
theory that those little creatures are kind of visualizations of prov- Dan gave it to me after a show in San Diego last year. I got three
erbs and aphorisms. But I don’t know if I believe that so I made up basses after mine got stolen, everyone gave me a bass, so very
my own. I also have to finish my album in Autumn with The Black kind. For everyone stealing there is someone who is giving.
Gang. I’ve got 12 or 15 albums in the pipeline but those are two What is happening in music now that’s different from when
Mike Watt ones. you started?
So whose gonna play with you tonight?
Tom Watson, Raul Morales: The Missingmen. It’s only the second
time I’ve played with them in four months because they were
out with Lou Barlow. The last four months I’ve been playing with
my second band The Secondmen, an organ band, has an organ
player and a drummer and now I go back and play with my
Missingmen. Missingmen are more like the Minutemen more
guitar, bass and drums you know?
Are we ever gonna here from Dos again?
We are finishing the fourth album, should be out in a couple of
months it’s called Dos two and two.
So you think they might release the first two albums
from Dos?
Actually three, and the third one is on Kill Rock Stars that ones
a little easier, but the other two are kind of hard to find. Dos is
my longest running band, done it since 1985 with Kiera from
Black Flag.
I saw you at a coffee house about fifteen years ago.
Yeah we played little gigs around, she’s very busy she does edits
sound for TV and movies, it’s hard for her to tour, last year she got
an emmy. She got her bachelors degree in engineering at UCLA
while she was in Black Flag and then did computer programming
for years and then got tired of it. So she taught herself how to do
sound editing for the movies.
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I didn’t know you have to pay to be unlisted. And then he said
I want to make a band with you, he was a trumpet player, he
bought a guitar and wanted to try rock ‘n’ roll, and I bought him an
amp. He came over to my one room apartment and he conked out
under the desk. We did FIREHOSE, it was a very rough period
for me after losing D. Boone, of course George Hurley was there
on drums too. I didn’t think anyone would want to hear me with
out D. Boone. I give Ed a lot of credit for helping me out.

“Like with skateboards, you
don’t really need different
styles of skateboards to have
different skating styles.
Everyone can have the same
set up and still have very
different styles”

AC Club What was it like playing with Eddy Vedder? Club Hurt
Curt Stevenson I like playing with all kinds of people, he is an interesting man, has Curt Stevenson
a strong voice. What was it like? It was kind of scary; It was the
Oh well the Internet, I can play with people, like I was given two first time I really played with out a band and with other musicians. Minutemen and Wire songs, which was cool. “It’s hard for me to boast about
songs from some cats in Tokyo. I’ve never played with these I was kind of new at it. Him and Dave Grohl were very kind. You got a lot of views with those songs you guys did my stuff but it would be great
people you couldn’t do that in the old days. So I am aware of What about John Fruchantie? on youtube. if (skaters) were accidentally
much more music happening with younger people. Punk rock Yeah, I’ve done some things with John; he’s an incredible musi- I think people are nice to check it out; It’s something that’s at a gig and were like, whoa
was so much smaller – I got my information from fanzines. The cian. I’ve never done anything projects with him. When I was different from the old days. It’s probably not the best way to what’s this about?”
technology has made it more accessible. I think it’s easier to make playing with the Missingmen, we were on tour with them (The Red experience music.
a band these days. Young people today are more open minded. Hot Chili Peppers), and John would come over and play some The song was Big Train, right? big record companies running the game, that’s different. And big
Then there is the burdon of having to be creative, but maybe that Yeah it was a Dills song, we were all big fans of The Dills. So we radio stations, Steve Jones is gone I liked him; I was on his radio
should never be solved. So I think its good days. Redwood B&G re-arranged it a bit and played it live. But I’ve played with a lot of show once. (103.1fm here in Los Angeles) And there is always
Do you have any advice for young musicians? Curt Stevenson different people the video you are talking about was from fifteen KXLU at Loyola Marymount College. I don’t have a lot of sorrow
Well you gotta look inside and find your own voice, it’s not really years ago. It was a great experience for me. They have a lot of for the big commercial scene who are maybe having a rough time,
about inventing stuff but if you think of writing novels, you don’t personality when they play. I never felt a part of that.
have to invent one word and you can be very original with your You seem like you play out a lot, what’s it like playing out What would you say to skaters who don’t know about you?
story telling. In fact if you are a little too original it’s kind of hard every week? I try to work my bass like it was a skateboard. It is an inspiring
to read. So I say the same with music you can try and chase dif- I’ve only been doing it for about thirty years, I’m kind of used to it. endeavor; you don’t need a lot of money. You just need the spirit.
ferent sounds and stuff that’s good for all of us. But you can still Every week? About skaters and my music, Hmm? It’s hard for me to boast
stuff with the old tried and true somehow relating your experience Yeah, why not? Believe it or not there are a lot of musicians who about my stuff but it would be great if they were accidentally at a
coming from inside you all of our experiences are very unique. do that, it’s part of a tradition. gig and were like, “whoa what’s this about?”. Especially being an
Like with skateboards, you don’t really need different styles of What was your trip to Tokyo like? older punk rocker it might be a little surprising for them. I know
skateboards to have different skating styles. Everyone can have I’ve been to Tokyo five times in the last two years, and I’ve made when you are younger, maybe for good reason, you don’t really
the same set up and still have very different styles, and let the four albums and a tour while there. There are a great group of think about being older. It kind of just comes on you. Maybe it
freak flag fly. You have to see why you want to be expressive, what musicians over there that are very interesting. I enjoy collaborating would be interesting for younger people to see someone like me
is it, and try to get out. It’s also about collaboration too. with them. The first time I went over many years ago, it was much and how I am dealing with it. In some ways I’m from their tradition.
Is there anyone you want to collaborate with now? different, I knew about the big towns but not the smaller scene. Gypsy de Szendrey
Everyone, anyone, my theory is everyone has something to teach I’m actually going to play with a band over there called, “Light”.
me. Id like to sit in any classroom I can. Do you like any of the bands out there?
Tell us the story of Ed from Ohio and fIREHOSE. I still feel there is a scene, but maybe because I’m playing. I need
Yeah Edward from Ohio, he found my name in the phone book, inspiration; I need to see what other bands are doing. As far as

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LUIS

UCKIN

TOLENTINO

When I met Luis he was Rodney Torres’s protege’ from
queens, a small kid going hard and full of heart. Luis was
riding all hand me down gear, i believe like 4 different
wheels, 2 different trucks and a skateboard that looked like
it came outta a garbage can. He had mad pop then but a
lot less control, i would have to look away as he blazed at
this bump to hydrant we were skating and tried to back-
side grab it. Over the last 5 years we been working together
the boy has done a lot of maturing, he now regularly exer-
cises his man size pop and amazing amounts of control
skateboarding the 3 foot tall and higher parts of the city
us normal folk just skate by. Although he has not had the
opportunity to bless everyone with a full video part, those
that have skated with him know the strength. This summer
when the Famous skate video drops the world will know
and Luis will be a global house hold name in skateboard-
ing. Every day you make me prouder kid... Brown power!
@onefelix

Fakie Ollie Where you from?
Krolik I am a Dominican from queens new York.

Why you start skating?
I started skating because I thought that a skateboard could make
you fly.

Did you get clowned for it?
People tried to clown me. Everybody always called me tony hawk or
white boy. It didn’t bother me it’s just the way they said it. I remem-
ber yelling back “do I fuckin look like tony hawk?” and I always said
“aight Jordan wanna be, go buy some new Jordans sad ass bitch!”

Shouldn’t you be boxing or playing baseball? (That’s what I
always got being Spanish from NY.)
Yeah I always got into stupid conversations about playing baseball
or anything else that was wasn’t skating. I always felt like I didn’t
have anything to talk about in school cause all everyone cared about
was sneakers and cars. All I knew about was heelflips and where
was the next spot I could get some hand me down gear at. I always
wore the same shit with the only holes in my shit for months at a
time. Ahh well now I’m chillin. Got all the clothes I need. Feels like a
dream come true now that I think about it.

When did you first notice you had a gift with your ollie power?
Haha I noticed that I loved ollies when i first ollied up this stage
in queens. It’s one of the skatespots I always used to called the
bandshell. After that I just fell in love with the damn ollie. Fun ass
trick right there.

Your kinda like a mutant cause you had this super power
and it was a bit outta control, now you have power and con-
trol even the most tech cats would be envious of. When did
you feel like you started to control your skateboard, was
there maybe a turning point like a certain trick or something
you learned?
I was all over the place before. I remember losing my breath really
fast. I think after I learned how to relax and actually breath things
started getting easier. Wish I knew this earlier but I guess everything
happens for a reason.

Your also quite the entertaining person and not very shy...
How does that work for you? or has it got you in trouble be-
fore and have you controlled a bit more now that you older?
Haha yea I like messing around and making people laugh. I feel like
I definetly changed for the better though. I’ve have plenty of situa-
tions that helped me learn when to stop haha. One of the times I
remember was when I was on 5boro as flo trash and I never shut
the fuck up! I would either be singing or asking stupid questions. I
remember asking Brendan Westgate what he would do if Steven
Segal kicked him in the face. Without hesitation he answered “ I
hope I fucking die so I wouldn’t have to listen to you” hahahahaha
that’s a funny guy right there.

Your website www.killluis.com seems to be fueled by trav-
els press and hyjinks. You seem to run with a pretty fun crew
might we start to see a little more skateboarding on there or
is that just the destination for madness?
Hahaha nah Imma start putting more skateboarding up I guess but
again I like making people laugh too. Maybe I should be a comedian.
But I don’t think I’m that funny.

What the most IM windows you ever had open at once!?!
And what was the worst message you ever sent the wrong

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at once?
Ohhh man the questions!!!! I probably had like 20 something win-
dows open before. I think the worst thing I ever asked somebody by
mistake was “why do you eat ass”?

Since we are on the online topic how many times have you

watch Sean Sheffey’s solidier story video part on youtube?
That’s the shit right there!!!! I probably watched it 2 million times
back to back. Sheffey is like a skateboarding super hero.

Would you trade the here and now to go back into the days

of the past and skate with Sheff and the crew in those days?
Hell yea man! I wish. Then I could see what it was like in the real
days. Looks like durin that time people knew how to have fun. Now
a days things are so much more serious it seems. It’s for the better
I guess.

What motivates you now a days?
Now a days what motivates me is seeing other skaters killing it in
contests or skate videos. Makes me feel like I gotta step it up watch-
ing all the amazing skating that’s been going on.

You have an above average grind but still seem to have a lot of

family and girl turmoil in the mix how does that play a part in

getting stuff done to make your mark in skateboarding?
Gotta sacrifice in life to do what you gotta do. Whether it’s being
away from the fam, or even sacrifice your own time that you some-
times wanna be home but that’s not how it works if you really wanna
do something with your life or fulfill a dream. Everyone does it their
own way like the frank Sinatra song na meaaan?

This year you officially quieted the haters (closet fans) with
a 44.5 inch ollie at Tampa am, will you put the high ollie to
rest this year and ollie 45’inches again (Google Luis Tolen-
tino high ollie Roof top rampage) for the “OFFICIAL” Worlds
record with Guinness present!?! Personally I would rather
have the un official one on Hypebeast but hey... please the
saps too?
I think this is the year. It’s getting annoying hearing people say stu-
pid shit about a day that I was just having fun with the homies ol-
lieing over a bar in new York. It’s all good though. When I tied it in
Tampa I couldn’t believe it. Everyone got me hyped! Those Ollie
contests are some of my greatest times in my life.

How was the experience these last 12 months filming for

the Famous Video?
This has been a great experience. I never thought I would ever have
a video part in my life but finally my time came to step it up and from
this experience I learned that if I have to put in work I can do what
I can. I’m not afraid or doubtful anymore about being able to come
through. This has been the best filming with the famous team. Seen
some amazing skating go down. And the best part is that they are
my friends.

What’s one of the craziest things that went on , but don’t

spoil the video!?!
That fuckin’ fight in berlin hahaha wow
Give me some goal for the near future skateboarding and none
skateboarding? My goal is to be a healthier person and A more
knowledgeable person.

Ollie What is your *AMMO* ?
Krolick My ammo is my skateboard.

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First question, what does the soul of skateboarding You got to just let kids be kids, and if they pick it up they pick it
mean to you? up. My son who passed, didn’t really pick up a skateboard until
What does the soul of skateboarding mean to me? If you are he was like 9 or 10. I mean, I had him skating at 1 and 2, but I
going to zero in on a question like that to anyone who is doing didn’t beat him with it. He didn’t even really care for it until later
it for their life support, their work, their savior and all that shit, on. The guy was probably going to be a pro skater. He just got his
then that’s basically what kind of mood you are in today. The real first pro model right before he passed. My other kid just likes to
deal is, if you love skateboarding, you pick it up, or you steal one, play drums. You have to just let kids do what they want to do. But
whatever stage of the game you were in life, or like me, I had to I see the coaches out there that call themselves dad, and that’s
grab a 2 by 6, and my dad’s roommate cut it up, and we sawed fine, it probably keeps their kids out of jail. It’s not up to me to
my sister’s roller skates in half, rode it at the beach – I’m one of judge. I think it’s too much of a judgmental world.
many. But the soul of skating is the same as the soul of punk rock. What did it mean to embody a skateboarder in your
It keeps me out of more trouble than I can normally find. generation?
So it’s a release...? My generation was totally the same as your generation where you
Absolutely. It’s a release that keeps you from murdering people; have skateboarding around, and the fads have gone up and down.
it keeps you from breaking into people’s houses. Well, it doesn’t But the bottom line is, everything was new. There were ditches
keep you from it; it just makes you do it less. Trust me, it’s not a when the plastic fantastics and the Gren Tech’s came out..and...
cure all, but it fuckin helps! you know what...I’m just not in to this historian bullshit. But, I’ll tell
Do you think it’s screwed that parents want their kids to you this, it always boils down to, do you love skateboarding or do
skate now, and try to get them to enter contests and you not. Are you going to be here for three years or forever? It’s
get sponsored? all about your motive. There were a lot of guys that were young in
my time, that are still skating, so, you have a good chance. If you
love skateboarding, then good for you.
One more question. Why are you the Master of Disaster?
D. David Moren put that on me at a contest, it just kind of came
up. Back then everyone had nicknames. Six Shooter Kiwi, Mad
Dog-T.A., Zipperhead, Lord Salba, Law Machine. So they tagged
me with Master of Disaster. To me it sounds like a fuckin wrestler.
I really didn’t like it until someone called me MOD, and I kind of
liked that. M.O.D-Mod, okay I can live with that. But in my day you
didn’t get to call yourself a cool nickname like all these guys do
now. “I wanna be lizard”. No man. You had to be like Booger. Or
like, Shitbag. You would get names that you didn’t like, it wasn’t
your choice. So Master of Disaster wasn’t that bad. It’s way better
than Booger.
Over and out?
Over and out.
Hey, don’t sing about poop anymore “guttermouth,” you’re
too fucking old! I’m just kidding, keep singing about poop,
its good.

Interview by Ben Duffy
photos by Kimathi Smith

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